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Anti-imperialist hero George Galloway is a rape apologist
Mon, 2012-08-20 23:44
#1
Anti-imperialist hero George Galloway is a rape apologist
Mon, 2012-08-20 23:48
#2
Disgusting comments from Galloway, no more enlightened than Todd "legitimate rape" Akin. Start at about 20 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B4I5F05jNg&feature=plcp
Tue, 2012-08-21 01:04
#3
"I have discontinued the preliminary investigation of the charge originally designated as rape. There is no suspicion of any crime whatsoever." Senior Prosecutor Eva Finne (Sweden)
Assange and Sweden: The Strange Case of the WikiLeaks Editor and the Swedish Prosecutor
Tue, 2012-08-21 01:12
#4
Did you actually listen to what Galloway said???
Tue, 2012-08-21 01:20
#5
derrick
Galloway's comments are disgraceful and, to the best of my understanding, contrary to British rape laws.
Tue, 2012-08-21 01:49
#6
Galloway is a parliamentary stage actor. Placing too much faith in any of their performances is a problem because of the risk that it will come back and bite you in the ass.
Tue, 2012-08-21 02:50
#7
Jesus Christ! It's not like there's a lot of public figures I have any respect for. Do they have to keep pulling the rug out from under me like this? Fucking pig. Fuck you, Galloway!
Tue, 2012-08-21 03:19
#8
To get into today's politics in the first place, you either have to be naive, or someone willing to do or say just about anything to get to where you long to be.
Tue, 2012-08-21 06:19
#9
Wow. You don't have to get consent every time? So, what, maybe every third time you should try to get consent? Or maybe every fifth time?
Talk about contributing to rape culture!
Tue, 2012-08-21 09:23
#10
What a creep. I hope his (fourth) wife throws him out on his ass. Who wants to share a bed with a guy who thinks it's all fine and dandy to have a sex with a woman while she's asleep?
Tue, 2012-08-21 12:24
#11
Galloway Defends Assange Case Claims
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/2012/08/21/galloway-defends-as...
"No never means yes and non-consensual sex is rape. There's no doubt about it and that has always been my position. But if my remarks on the podcast need clarification I am happy to do that,' he said. 'Julian Assange, let's be clear, has always denied the allegations. And this has all the hallmarks of a set-up.."
Tue, 2012-08-21 12:29
#12
Catchfire
I can't believe you are still defending Galloway's comments. Galloway said that having sex with an unconscious woman is not rape. And you want to vindicate those comments, twice now. Shame.
Tue, 2012-08-21 12:36
#13
I am posting an article which has information relating to the topic. Thanks though for further revealing your obvious deficiencies for the role you play here.
Tue, 2012-08-21 12:37
#14
Know what? I was opposed to the Canadian government's decision to prevent his entry, and there are times when he has stood up to power and in favour of unpopular and under-appreciated causes. That takes courage and selflessness.
But Galloway always was more of a bullyboy than a voice of reason, and his position on this is completely in keeping with that.
Tue, 2012-08-21 12:39
#15
Catchfire
I am posting an article which has information relating to the topic. Thanks though for further revealing your obvious deficiencies for the role you play here.
Yes, who could possibly mistake your two posts for a neutral-not-at-all-defence of Galloway's comments and yet another apology for Assange's sexual assault.
Tue, 2012-08-21 12:43
#16
Well, we can only hope The Galloway Show will no longer debut on Rabble TV.
Tue, 2012-08-21 13:06
#17
Galloway and Assange are the same kind of activist. Macho, impulsive and "white knight" syndrome. I'm not surprised that Galloway would defend him. That's not to say that they haven't done any good things in their activist careers, but no one should be looking to them for pointers on feminism, the law or being allies.
Thumbs down for Galloway.
Tue, 2012-08-21 14:08
#18
Galloway Defends Assange Case Claims
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/2012/08/21/galloway-defends-as...
"No never means yes and non-consensual sex is rape. There's no doubt about it and that has always been my position. But if my remarks on the podcast need clarification I am happy to do that,' he said. 'Julian Assange, let's be clear, has always denied the allegations. And this has all the hallmarks of a set-up.."
Un fucking believable. Total non-apology: yeah I may have misspoken, can we talk about Assange now? What a joke.
Tue, 2012-08-21 14:12
#19
derrick
Salma Yaqoob, the leader of RESPECT, has condemned Galloway's comments:
"Let me be clear, as a politician and as a woman. Rape occurs when a woman has not consented to sex. George Galloway’s comments on what constitutes rape are deeply disappointing and wrong ... This turn of events may well act to undermine Assange's defence against those powerful forces keen to make an example of him for exposing the crimes of Empire. It has certainly taken the debate around violence against women a step backwards."
Tue, 2012-08-21 14:49
#20
I’m not too surprised, like I’ve said before, people can be heroes at one thing and a total douche bags at another… case and point right here.
you're right "case and point right here"!!!!!!
Tue, 2012-08-21 15:39
#21
Bec.De.Corbin
I’m not too surprised, like I’ve said before, people can be heroes at one thing and a total douche bags at another… case and point right here.you're right "case and point right here"!!!!!!
Yes, Galloway and Assange are perfect examples. They do good and they do bad. Thanks for agreeing.
Tue, 2012-08-21 17:13
#22
But some liberal-lefty men have been bending over backwards to rewrite definitions of rape to suit their blanket adoration of Assange. They seem to be too stupid to work out that you can admire and defend WikiLeaks without canonising its founder. In the world of Assange-lovers, women who allege rape and sexual assault are either lying vixens or silly unsuspecting pawns in the fight between freedom fighters and the US.Galloway and those who spout rubbish about what "real rape" really is (ie nothing other than that committed by a stranger wielding a knife who attacks a virgin) are not rape apologists, but rape deniers. Most rape falls into the category that Galloway has decided is simply "bad sexual etiquette", ergo most women are lying, and most men are the victims of spurious accusations from women who should read up on rape legislation.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/21/julian-assange-rape-...
Tue, 2012-08-21 17:39
#23
ElizaQ
Galloway Defends Assange Case Claims
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/2012/08/21/galloway-defends-as...
"No never means yes and non-consensual sex is rape. There's no doubt about it and that has always been my position. But if my remarks on the podcast need clarification I am happy to do that,' he said. 'Julian Assange, let's be clear, has always denied the allegations. And this has all the hallmarks of a set-up.."
No need to clarify his comments. He said quite explicity that he considers the acts that make up to two allegations are not what constitute rape with great explination as to why. Consent has already been given in his mind therefore no rape thus his position as stated in this article stands quite fine.
The problem is his explinations as to why the allegations don't fit his idea of what rape is.
Another thing he said which speaks to his cluelessness is his comment about this great liberal intellectualism that has been occuring...as if it is only happening now, because of Assange. Uh yeah, women haven't been fighting this type of crap for decades. It's something new! Yep okay clueless old school man dude.
Tue, 2012-08-21 20:17
#24
radiorahim
This mess that we're in is totally the fault of Julian Assange. It's really simple. If you're going to do something that will really piss off the ruling class like publish a few gazillion classified embassy cables, you also have some responsibility to the progressive community around the world who are going to be called upon to defend you. Assange should have learned to keep his fucking dick in his pants.
I think everyone would much rather be able to choose the ground we fight on, rather than have the ruling class determine it.
Instead, because of Mr. "Can't Keep His Dick in His Pants", we are in a situation where neo-Stalinoids like Galloway try to tell the women of the world that they should put their legitimate concerns on the back burner and concentrate on the struggle against the imperialists, the capitalists etc. and wait for the great revolution in the sky to achieve equality.
This is what neo-Stalinoids have done for years. It was bullshit years ago and it's bullshit today.
Is Mr. "Can't Keep His Dick in His Pants" guilty of rape? Is this a setup? Quite frankly I don't know. But I'm thoroughly pissed-off at Assange for putting every progressive person in the world in this position.
Tue, 2012-08-21 22:04
#25
I’m not too surprised, like I’ve said before, people can be heroes at one thing and a total douche bags at another… case and point right here.
you're right "case and point right here"!!!!!!
He doesn't get it quizzical maybe you could draw him a map to the offending language. Oh you did bold it! Nice to see women have such great "protectors" like Bec.
Wed, 2012-08-22 08:48
#26
This mess that we're in is totally the fault of Julian Assange. It's really simple. If you're going to do something that will really piss off the ruling class like publish a few gazillion classified embassy cables, you also have some responsibility to the progressive community around the world who are going to be called upon to defend you. Assange should have learned to keep his fucking dick in his pants.
I think everyone would much rather be able to choose the ground we fight on, rather than have the ruling class determine it.
Instead, because of Mr. "Can't Keep His Dick in His Pants", we are in a situation where neo-Stalinoids like Galloway try to tell the women of the world that they should put their legitimate concerns on the back burner and concentrate on the struggle against the imperialists, the capitalists etc. and wait for the great revolution in the sky to achieve equality.
This is what neo-Stalinoids have done for years. It was bullshit years ago and it's bullshit today.
Is Mr. "Can't Keep His Dick in His Pants" guilty of rape? Is this a setup? Quite frankly I don't know. But I'm thoroughly pissed-off at Assange for putting every progressive person in the world in this position.
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Though in light of what Slumberjack says, I'd amend it slightly from "Mr can't keep his dick in his pants" to "Mr can't treat women with respect." Not as ringing, I grant you.
Re Mr Galloway: what a paranoid, self-involved blowhard. Makes you wonder how much of his progressiveness was motivated by nothing more than a love of the spotlight and being the centre of controversy.
Wed, 2012-08-22 08:57
#27
This mess that we're in is totally the fault of Julian Assange. It's really simple. If you're going to do something that will really piss off the ruling class like publish a few gazillion classified embassy cables, you also have some responsibility to the progressive community around the world who are going to be called upon to defend you. Assange should have learned to keep his fucking dick in his pants. I think everyone would much rather be able to choose the ground we fight on, rather than have the ruling class determine it. Instead, because of Mr. "Can't Keep His Dick in His Pants", we are in a situation where neo-Stalinoids like Galloway try to tell the women of the world that they should put their legitimate concerns on the back burner and concentrate on the struggle against the imperialists, the capitalists etc. and wait for the great revolution in the sky to achieve equality. This is what neo-Stalinoids have done for years. It was bullshit years ago and it's bullshit today. Is Mr. "Can't Keep His Dick in His Pants" guilty of rape? Is this a setup? Quite frankly I don't know. But I'm thoroughly pissed-off at Assange for putting every progressive person in the world in this position.
Momentarily putting aside the question of guilt or innocence where Assange is concerned, or an observation that progressiveness nowadays more or less defines itself by consisting in an absence of situations, do you think that celibacy, or all the faithfulness that a hastily arranged marriage could provide, would have better served the interests of global progress?
Wed, 2012-08-22 09:19
#28
Isn't Galloway, peace-be-upon-him, a man of a particular cloth? Like many varieties of cloth, at bottom it can't help but to reveal itself from out of the original work from which it was spun, for what it is.
Wed, 2012-08-22 12:23
#29
What do you mean? He can't help how he is made and isn't in control of his actions?
I could say the same thing about Mr. Romney, Mr. Ratzinger, or Mr. Netanyahu or any number of people. Or maybe that fancy talk just applies to people we want to excuse for some reason.
Say what you want about fire and brimstone, but at least it is based on the principle that human beings have the capacity to think and change, and are responsible for their actions.
Wed, 2012-08-22 13:05
#30
DP....
I haven't noticed the slowdowns on this site as much as many, but I sure noticed it today. Hence this double post.
Wed, 2012-08-22 15:02
#31
Yes, you could certainly say the same thing about Romney, Ratzinger et al. Your third sentence about fire and brimstone being based upon the human capacity to think, to change, to be responsible for ones actions - that has to be the laugh of the day right there. But no, whatever some of his geo-political views are, so long as he remains wound up with the trappings of a mythology created by and for the express benefit of you know who, I contend that base elements of it will emerge from time to time no matter how careful of a politician he pretends to be. It's just that with politicians and religious leaders, we hear more out of them than your average Joe pumped up on religion, with a resulting higher percentage of their nonsense being added to an existing and incredibly thick public dossier. I mean, the consumerist society is plenty enough influence in and of itself that afflicts us all, but combine that with religion and you've got patriarchy and misogyny on steroids.
Wed, 2012-08-22 15:03
#32
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/aug/22/george-galloway-sacked-ho... Galloway sacked as political columnist for rape remarks[/url]
Wed, 2012-08-22 15:17
#33
SJ.
Maybe you should just tell me straight out what you think of Mr. Galloway's ideas, rather than trying to re-write Finnegan's Wake or resorting to weaving metaphors.. Because, frankly, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Personally, I think the guy is well-meaning politically, but he clearly puts people - women, specifically- in the back seat when it comes to the cause. and he fucked up bigtime. Because I am sure he wouldn't be shovelling this great pile of shit if we were talking about a right-wing public figure accused of sexual assault.
Wed, 2012-08-22 15:41
#34
Well, its true that political ideology will often cloud better judgement. We see it in the Quebec election thread where it concerns the PQ, in the scant references to the South African miner situation, and with the neoliberal experimention of the NSNDP showing real promise here in Nova Scotia, with very little complaint about it from anyone. Of course we'd prefer that Assange not be rendered via Sweden to some US gulag, but that preference doesn't double down as an automatic pass on the allegations of sexual assault, nor should the bile spent from Galloway's mouth be swept under a rug because of his involvement with the Palestinian and anti-war causes.
Wed, 2012-08-22 15:48
#35
Actually, I thought I was being fairly straightforward about where I think Galloway's influences about women in general originate from, and you say it can't be that, because its based upon a capacity to think and change. What to make out of that is the real puzzle.
Wed, 2012-08-22 16:30
#36
@ SJ
If you mean his background, I agree. THough I think it also has to do with his dedication to the cause, because I don't think he would make statements like that in defense of someone on the other end of the political spectrum.
As for his capacity to change, I got the impression from your imagery about being cut form a certain cloth that you were making a fatalist argument. If I am mistaken there, excuse me.
Thu, 2012-08-23 02:12
#37
Assange has been accused. He has not been convicted.
But Galloway is guilty as hell.
I've been in relationships where you fall asleep curled about one another in the alltogether, and sometime in your sleep you start, well, playing.
As soon as you realize, after a second or two, that this is not a dream, it's real, if you're a gentleman, you say, "uhhh... darling? you're awake, right?" and that point is sure as hell before intercourse. Even if the woman's taking the lead, you ask.
Galloway asks "do you tap her on the shoulder and ask?"
YES! You fucking goof! YES!
Do you want to give your partner an unwanted pregnancy? Does she need to refresh her birth control? Do you regard her as such an object you couldn't care if she wakes up to the sight of her partner raping her?
Galloway doesn't even work this scenario in. His view is much simpler: You're still in his bed. He can do what he likes.
And I've been in relationships where in the middle of safe-sex, the condom has broken. If you're a gentleman, do you stop and replace it? Do you let your partner know if she didn't already?
YES! You fucking goof! YES!
Do you want to give your partner an unwanted pregnancy? If you don't call it rape, what do you call it when the condom breaks, she asks you to stop and you DONT?
Galloway's view is much simpler: You're still in his bed. He can do what he likes.
Thu, 2012-08-23 08:00
#38
Maysie
Yes, howeird, exactly.
There's a school of thought, that Galloway encapsulates, that says that if a woman has said yes to a particular partner once, or more than once, this is considered a blanket yes for any and all sexual activity from the present far into the future. Such thought is at the root of why married women could not be legally raped (until the law was changed). It's the embodiment of women = property.
Taking it one step further, as more right-leaning folks will do, if a woman has said yes to ANY partner; if she has ever enjoyed sex; if she receives money for sex, she cannot be legally raped. Such thought posits that rape can only happen to a sweet innocent virgin (whose innocence is determined by men of course), brutal violence must be used or threatened, etc. This is also the embodiment of women = property, but it extends to a moral judgement as well.
Thu, 2012-08-23 11:39
#39
love the last 2 posts. refreshed me after reading the CBC responses to any kind of news this week. i couldn't get rabble to load very often and thought i'd browse elsewhere to replace here. big mistake!!!!!!!
icy cool analogy maysie. goin to use it.
Thu, 2012-08-23 14:17
#40
I’m not too surprised, like I’ve said before, people can be heroes at one thing and a total douche bags at another… case and point right here.you're right "case and point right here"!!!!!!
Yes, Galloway and Assange are perfect examples. They do good and they do bad. Thanks for agreeing.
Please don't use the term "douche bags". It's anti-women.
Thu, 2012-08-23 18:27
#41
love the last 2 posts. refreshed me after reading the CBC responses to any kind of news this week. i couldn't get rabble to load very often and thought i'd browse elsewhere to replace here. big mistake!!!!!!!
icy cool analogy maysie. goin to use it.
Try the Tyee. Its comments sections are not only readable but also mostly from a left perspective. The CBC comments just confirm my suspicion as to the target audience for it and the reason why it sounds more and more like Press TV every day.
Thu, 2012-08-23 20:48
#42
tx put on desk top