9/11 Reports 2

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Fri, 2016-09-02 13:58

Sean in Ottawa

I have read a few theories on this but the controlled demolition ones persist.

One of the problems is that some of the other theories also imply issues some people would not want to see the light of day. The article includes the issue of the role of fire retardent materials plays. The BBC did a film about this showing footage from the World Trade structures showing that the fire retardent material was insufficient even missing in places and reports had been written about this.

With high heats, and a lack of protection, steel conducts heat faster than the other building materials so the points of failure could be below the rest of the collapse. As well the structure will give before the rest of the cladding so puffs of material coming out below the collapse is not as strange is one might think.

In any case I am not buying the conspiracy theory as expressed but I do think the buildings had defects in maintenance -- maybe even construction -- which might explain why there is a preference to let the more outlandish conspiracy theories persist. If you have theories that persist that are outlandish there is less chance that the truth will be discovered and less credibility to the idea of something being hidden.

So there is a possibility of a coverup that is less wild than the one being promoted but still with an incentive to hide it and missdirect.

Fri, 2016-09-02 14:17

#203

Rev Pesky

mmphosis wrote:

15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses [PDF] (europhysicsnews.org)

I'm afraid my life is a bit too short to read this. Did they explain how it was that the collapse of the WTC towers started on the floors where the airplanes hit?

Were they able to tie in the anthrax poisonings?

Fri, 2016-09-02 14:43

#204

Michael Moriarity

I did read the article, and commented on it in another thread. In short, I think it raises interesting questions in a non-conspiratorial way.

Fri, 2016-09-02 16:15

#205

Mr. Magoo

Quote:
I think it raises interesting questions in a non-conspiratorial way.

It's interesting enough, I suppose, and it's true that it's refreshingly non-conspiratorial. But it's not as though the authors are just neutral, curious scientists.

I think it's an admittedly clever, two-part strategy. First, break out and focus on just the "science" part. Then, if you can convince people that it could only have been a controlled demolition, the k00Kiness can resume in earnest, and the blame can be placed on Rummy, the Mossad, and the Bilderberg group as before.

Tue, 2016-09-06 01:58

#206

NorthReport

Let's forever this nonsense about the physical collapse of the WTC buildings

Americans it appears think the big issue about 9/11 is that the 2 agencies mandated with the task to protect Americans, the CIA and the FBI were not working together, and that CIA warnings to the White House, to S Rice and G Bush about al Queda were ignored, not because they knew ahead of time about the attacks, but because they wee getting warnings every day, something like the warnings prior to Pearl Harbour, and that the CIA knew that there were 2 terrorists who eventually flew on those planes and the CIA knew they were in the USA but did not inform the FBI who would have rounded them up, because of communication breakdown between the 2 agencies, and also it was the CIA who told Bush Iraq had weapons of mass destruction

- from the doc

Spymasters-the CIA in the Crosshairs

Sat, 2018-05-26 18:29

#207

mmphosis

Another slow news day at Canada's broadcasting corporation? I assume this is a "news" article as it doesn't have the usual ANALYSYS or OPINION tag attached to it.

How a 9/11 Truther may be influencing which Ontario election videos you see (cbc.ca)

The only thing thats working is that nobody knows what to believe anymore.... Mission accomplished!

Sat, 2018-05-26 18:54

#208

Mr. Magoo

To be fair, he's not influencing which videos I see. He's influencing which ones are at the top of a search list.

It's still on me to try to choose videos from reputable sources. It should be no surprise that k00Ks want our eyeballs as badly as anyone else.

And never forget, fire cannot melt steel. When we melt steel, we melt it with God's Will.

Fri, 2021-09-10 13:40

#209

mmphosis

‘The attack would have been prevented’: co-author of 9/11 report reflects on missed opportunities (theguardian.com)

Thomas Kean on conspiracy theories, intelligence sharing and a scarred nation

the 9/11 Commission Report (govinfo.library.unt.edu)

Biden signs executive order directing release of some 9/11 documents (thehill.com)

Fri, 2021-09-10 13:50

#210

Neocynic

9/11 was the beginning of the elite's gaslighting of the people, when we were asked to not believe our lying eyes when they saw controlled demolitions of all 3 buildings. Since then, a la The Matrix, we are even now being blue-pilled to death for the sake of their power, money and control. Today's AA Boeing jet is a needle crashing into our veins.

Sat, 2021-09-11 02:33

#211

NDPP

Imperialism and the deep state: Peter Dale Scott's The Road to 9/11 - Wealth, Empire and the Future of America

https://liberatedtexts.com/reviews/imperialism-and-the-deep-state-in-pet...

"As we approach the 20th anniversary of the September 11 attacks, the reputation of George W Bush is undergoing a concerted resuscitation. The primary rehabilitators are the liberal Democratic establishment..."

Sat, 2021-09-11 14:11

(Reply to #212) #212

contrarianna

Neocynic wrote:

9/11 was the beginning of the elite's gaslighting of the people, when we were asked to not believe our lying eyes when they saw controlled demolitions of all 3 buildings. Since then, a la The Matrix, we are even now being blue-pilled to death for the sake of their power, money and control. Today's AA Boeing jet is a needle crashing into our veins.

At last, the long awaited breakthrough in pataphysics. The Grand Unified Anti-vaxxer-9/11 Theory.

Sat, 2021-09-11 14:38

(Reply to #213) #213

Michael Moriarity

contrarianna wrote:

Neocynic wrote:

9/11 was the beginning of the elite's gaslighting of the people, when we were asked to not believe our lying eyes when they saw controlled demolitions of all 3 buildings. Since then, a la The Matrix, we are even now being blue-pilled to death for the sake of their power, money and control. Today's AA Boeing jet is a needle crashing into our veins.

At last, the long awaited breakthrough in pataphysics. The Grand Unified Anti-vaxxer-9/11 Theory.

LOL. I hadn't heard of pataphysics, and had to look it up. After I stopped laughing, it was clear to me that it is the perfect word for this situation.

Sat, 2021-09-11 16:49

#214

NDPP

The above poster, neocynic has been expelled and his covid discussion thread locked.

For the record I oppose the banning of neocynic, just as I have opposed many other of the arbitrary bannings here. Free discussion of ideas and views, even if unpopular, should be at least endured not suppressed. If it is alleged that a serious violation of babble rules/conduct has occurred then the alleged violator should be given a warning and an opportunity to explain his side of things.

Sat, 2021-09-11 17:15

#215

NDPP

20 years since 9/11 and the 'war on terror'

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/09/11/pers-911.html

"One does not need to be a conspiracy theorist or believe that someone planted explosives in the Twin Towers to recognize that the official story that 9/11 was the result of a 'failure of imagination' on the part of US intelligence agencies is shot through with contradictions, omissions and cover-up.

US imperialism has been humilitated in war, the policies of the ruling class have produced hundreds of thousands of completely unnecessary Covid deaths and it has no policy to confront climate-change, even as two coasts are ravaged by flooding and the West is beset by fires.

Meanwhile, an increasingly financialized economy based on the printing of trillions of dollars in fictitious capital and handing them over to the super-rich is preparing an economic disaster. Taken together these developments have profoundly revolutionary implications..."

Sat, 2021-09-11 17:31

#216

NDPP

(Oct 10, 2001) Mediating Thobani

https://rabble.ca/news/mediating-thobani

"Did you know that Sunera Thobani is 'an idiot', 'loathsome', 'nutty' and 'sick'? Maybe you didn't know that a week ago, but I bet you know it now...

Most frightening however, is the way in which Thobani's speech has been used to reinforce the appalling chill that has fallen over free speech in this country and the US. Over the past months, journalists and public figures who haven't fallen into line...have been censored, reprimanded and, in some cases fired for anything other than whole hearted support..."

The authoritarian response, demonizing, silencing of the dissident voice and 'go along to get along' collaboration with official narratives, is still unfortunately an all too common continuing tendancy.

Sat, 2021-09-11 18:34

#217

NDPP

#September11th (and vid)

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1436659390845800448

"Former General of the US Army[& NATO], Wesley Clark on the military strategy after 9/11 attacks, 'We are going to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off with Iran."

Sat, 2021-09-11 19:00

#218

NDPP

The Grayzone: Millions of Victims of The 'War on Terror'

https://youtu.be/Oca3UvG2HPA

"Max Blumenthal and Ben Norton discuss the 20th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks with Professor Asad Abukhalil, and the millions of victims of the 'War on Terror'."

Sun, 2021-09-12 00:39

#219

NorthReport

The most terrifying thing about 9/11 is America's response.

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/10/september-11-america-response/

Sun, 2021-09-12 09:30

(Reply to #220) #220

MegB

NDPP wrote:

The above poster, neocynic has been expelled and his covid discussion thread locked.

For the record I oppose the banning of neocynic, just as I have opposed many other of the arbitrary bannings here. Free discussion of ideas and views, even if unpopular, should be at least endured not suppressed. If it is alleged that a serious violation of babble rules/conduct has occurred then the alleged violator should be given a warning and an opportunity to explain his side of things.

It's not about "unpopular ideas" and you know it. We are significantly into year two of a deadly global pandemic and I am not fucking around with anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers. Lots of other places on the Internet to peddle hysterical conspiracy theories. This is not one of them.

Sun, 2021-09-12 16:28

#221

NDPP

Of course it's about unpopular ideas and I know it. So do you. Russiagate and 'Hookers in Moscow made peepee on Trump who became everafter Putin's slave' was wildly popular here. 'Al Qaeda's White Helmet humanitarians deserve Nobel Peace Prize says NDP', 'Julian Assange is nothing but an odious sex criminal choosing to evade justice in the Ecuadorean Embassy' was another.

Obviously some conspiracy theories are more welcome than others and unfortunately might makes right is increasingly the means used to sort which is which. Always for the common good, of course.

Sun, 2021-09-12 16:36

#222

NDPP

George W Bush on 20th anniversary of September 11

https://www.youtube.com/watch/fFDT1XugIoQ

"This is not nostalgia. It is the truest version of ourselves. It is what we have been. And what can be again."

Sun, 2021-09-12 18:16

#223

NDPP

The Dancing Israelis: FBI Docs Shed Light on Apparent Foreknowledge of 9/11 attacks*

https://www.mintpressnews.com/newly-released-fbi-docs-shed-light-on-appa...

"For nearly two decades, one of the most overlooked and little known arrests made in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks was that of the so-called 'High Fivers', or the 'Dancing Israelis'.

However, new information released by the FBI on May 7 has brought fresh scrutiny to the possibility that the 'Dancing Israelis', at least two of which were known Mossad operatives, had prior knowledge of the attacks on the World Trade Center..."

*David Sheen refutes 'Dancing Israelis' at the Grayzone:

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/09/dancing-israelis-9-11-plotters-spies-sca...

9/11 Lies & the National Security State: Thomas Drake

https://theanalysis.news/9-11-lies-and-the-national-security-state-thoma...

"20 years later, Thomas Drake still says the NSA knew about the 9/11 plotters prior to the attack, and likely reported the intel through a back channel to VP Cheney.

Nothing was done to prevent the attack, says Drake, a former senior executive at the NSA. Why? To prepare public opinion in favor of invading Iraq.

(This is the 6th part of the Reality Asserts itself with Thomas Drake series. Here is a link to the playlist...")

Sun, 2021-09-12 17:50

#224

NDPP

'What the War on Terror in fact became was a War of Terror'

https://twitter.com/Moazzam_Begg/status/1436461586236022784

"Was the War on Terror a symptom of Islamophobia or Islamophobia a symptom of The War on Terror? My intervew with Middle East Eye on the effects of both..."

Since 9/11 Islamophobia has been a 'constant feature' in Canada, experts say

https://globalnews.ca/news/8174029/9-11-islamophobia-canada/

"It never really went away. These kinds of attacks, this hatred of Muslims, it has been a constant feature of Canadian political life in the period.' A 2003 report for the Canadian Islamic Congress cited by researchers showed how quickly after 9/11 Muslim hate crimes increased just a year after the 9/11 attack."

Mon, 2021-09-13 13:02

#225

NorthReport

Remembering 9/11 and the lone vote against the war on terror

Barbara Lee's scribbled words resounded through the House chamber:

"However difficult this vote may be, some of us must urge the use of restraint. Our country is in a state of mourning…Let's just pause, just for a minute, and think through the implications of our actions today so that this does not spiral out of control."

Spiral it did. Brown University's Watson Institute estimates that at least 801,000 people have been killed by direct, post-9/11 war violence in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan, with civilians accounting for close to half that number. Thousands of U.S. troops and contractors have been killed and injured, with a price tag for U.S. taxpayers the Institute estimates will reach well over $8 trillion.

In Turning Point, a sweeping new five-part documentary about the U.S. response to 9/11, Congressmember Lee reflects on that Authorization for Use of Military Force, or AUMF, that she alone opposed in Congress: "It's been used over 41 times, in about 19 countries not related at all to 9/11…It's been used all over the world as the basis to use force, and to bomb and engage in military operations. That is unconstitutional. It sets the stage for perpetual war."

Congressmember Lee courageously voted no against the AUMF twenty years ago, as Ground Zero smoldered along with the wreckage at the Pentagon and of Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, which crashed as passengers and crew fought that plane's hijackers. After the vote, Lee immediately began receiving death threats, and being called a traitor and un-American. But she got other responses as well: "Actually, 40 per cent of those 60,000 communications were very positive. Bishop Tutu, Coretta Scott King, people from all around the world sent some very positive messages to me."

At the time, Barbara Lee was one of the newest members of Congress, and one of the few African American women to hold office in either the House or Senate. When asked on Democracy Now! where she got the courage to take that difficult stand, she said, "I am a Black woman in America."

https://rabble.ca/columnists/2021/09/remembering-911-and-lone-vote-again...

Mon, 2021-09-13 21:32

#226

NDPP

September 11, the 'war on terror' and the criminalization of American politics

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/09/13/pers-s13.html

"...More fundamentally, in their calls for unity, the representatives of the ruling class look nervously upon the seething social discontent within the United States. They hope to somehow cobble together a political framework for continuing the project of American imperialism for world domination and suppressing democratic opposition.

To this end, all factions of the US media have joined together to defend the legacy of the war on terror. 'Narratives that depict the past 20 years of engagement as an endless series of blunders lack balance and perspective', declared the Democrat-aligned Washington Post in an editorial.

America may be ending the war in Afghanistan, but the changes carried out within the framework of the 'war on terror' have permanently entered the bloodstream of American politicians. The defense of the Bush administration's crimes by the US media establishment is aimed not only at the past but at the future.

The endless talk of 'unity' comes as the US is more divided by class then at any point in postwar history. The financial oligarchy has used the COVID-19 pandemic to vastly enrich itself, while workers have been forced to work in unsafe conditions, subjected to mass death and economic dislocation. Seeing itself beset by political opposition, the US ruling class seeks 'unity' by banishing criticism or examination, no matter how minor of its past crimes.

But no matter how the American media and political establishment attempts to circle the wagons, the crimes committed in the name of the 'war on terror' will have massive consequences. They have torn the mask off American democracy and American capitalism, exposing it as a ruthless dictatorship of the financial oligarchy..."

Thu, 2021-09-16 18:43

#227

NDPP

Never Forget: Lessons of the Post 9/11 Warpath

https://t.co/hjzcvFOcWs

"As the US Empire tries to leave its 9/11 revenge wars in Afghanistan & Iraq in the past, Abby Martin reviews the core lessons..."

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